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	<title>Comments on: Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still a fear</title>
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	<description>What about Web 2.0 ? and the future ?</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Traduction de Clipperz</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-4391</link>
		<dc:creator>Traduction de Clipperz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pour rappel, Clipperz se repose sur la notoriété de tous les cryptages reconnus et sur l&#8217;ouverture de leur code source afin de prouver la sécurisation de leurs systèmes. J&#8217;ai réalisé il y a un petit bout de temps, un comparatif des outils en ligne de stockage de mots de passes que vous pouvez trouver ici (en anglais) : Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still a fear [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pour rappel, Clipperz se repose sur la notoriété de tous les cryptages reconnus et sur l&#8217;ouverture de leur code source afin de prouver la sécurisation de leurs systèmes. J&#8217;ai réalisé il y a un petit bout de temps, un comparatif des outils en ligne de stockage de mots de passes que vous pouvez trouver ici (en anglais) : Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still a fear [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dev &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My password manager</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-2411</link>
		<dc:creator>dev &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My password manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still a fear  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still a fear  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My password manager &#124; The Danesh Project</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-2210</link>
		<dc:creator>My password manager &#124; The Danesh Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still a fear  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an
 alternative:
Shibbo (www.shibbo.com)
Not only an online 
service. It is also 
a PortableApp version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an<br />
 alternative:<br />
Shibbo (www.shibbo.com)<br />
Not only an online<br />
service. It is also<br />
a PortableApp version.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 17:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, just a warning about proxies.
A lot of web proxies are born and die every day. They are a common way for malicious programmers to capture all the traffic of users in order to make bad use of it.
So never use a proxy to connect to critical sites.
Ciao,
Francesco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, just a warning about proxies.<br />
A lot of web proxies are born and die every day. They are a common way for malicious programmers to capture all the traffic of users in order to make bad use of it.<br />
So never use a proxy to connect to critical sites.<br />
Ciao,<br />
Francesco</p>
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		<title>By: PassPack's April 2008 Buzz Round up &#171; PassPack - The Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-974</link>
		<dc:creator>PassPack's April 2008 Buzz Round up &#171; PassPack - The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 18:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Loopion - Emmanuel Pays » Blog Archive » Clipperz and PassPack : Online password storage is still ... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tara (PassPack)</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara (PassPack)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Emmanuel,
Thank you - that's great feedback. You are absolutely right about us needing help documents! We are writing the first ones now with the help of kind user. Once they are ready, maybe your sister can try PassPack too. :)

And we need to prove our web app is secure... ok, we'll try and make that more clear. Where do you think this should be done? In the blog, or while using the application?

Thanks and cheers,
Tara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Emmanuel,<br />
Thank you - that&#8217;s great feedback. You are absolutely right about us needing help documents! We are writing the first ones now with the help of kind user. Once they are ready, maybe your sister can try PassPack too. <img src='http://blog.loopion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And we need to prove our web app is secure&#8230; ok, we&#8217;ll try and make that more clear. Where do you think this should be done? In the blog, or while using the application?</p>
<p>Thanks and cheers,<br />
Tara</p>
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		<title>By: PassPack and Clipperz: The Difference? &#171; PassPack - The Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>PassPack and Clipperz: The Difference? &#171; PassPack - The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] solutions look very similar …&#8221; . Additionally, a few articles have recently popped up comparing Clipperz as a new competitor for PassPack. So far, it&#8217;s been very exciting to see this discussion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] solutions look very similar …&#8221; . Additionally, a few articles have recently popped up comparing Clipperz as a new competitor for PassPack. So far, it&#8217;s been very exciting to see this discussion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Loopion</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Loopion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marco Barulli,

When I added a new card, and then tried to add a simple password. After adding my password just do a CTRL+A (select all) on the stars that hide the password and we can clearly see the password, this is a basic security issue. In PassPack the password is never shown. But you have an advantage on PassPack it's in your philosophy (openning source code and distribute your crypto functions with a BSD Licence) and your GUI is cool (it's more graphic :) stupid notice :) but important). Be careful for the understanding with "card". And finally, isn't it another source of dismay for the users to know that crypto functions are put at the disposal of all? Very delicate subject.

@Tara,

What Clipperz want to communicate is more the security. You both don't play with the same cards (french quote :)). Clipperz try the security/psychological card and you try to convince advanced user (like me) who are more confident on what you did and addind new huge cool features. When I say Clipperz is more user friendly, it's maybe by colors, less help on how to use those type of online password storage application (my sister know to log into GMail but with PassPack she's lost and Clipperz she's gonna read all help before understand how to use it) and maybe a design monotony.
Personally, I really don't care. I prefer like, I said, more features and when it's more user friendly, that's why I choose your webapp, I left my Keepass software :p. It's only my advice for novice users. That's why I compare you both. :D
Furthermore, you need to prove that your webapp is secure. :)

It's the beginning ! And I trust it will be recognized by others novices.

If you need a French translation... :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marco Barulli,</p>
<p>When I added a new card, and then tried to add a simple password. After adding my password just do a CTRL+A (select all) on the stars that hide the password and we can clearly see the password, this is a basic security issue. In PassPack the password is never shown. But you have an advantage on PassPack it&#8217;s in your philosophy (openning source code and distribute your crypto functions with a BSD Licence) and your <acronym title="Graphical User Interface">GUI</acronym> is cool (it&#8217;s more graphic <img src='http://blog.loopion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> stupid notice <img src='http://blog.loopion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> but important). Be careful for the understanding with &#8220;card&#8221;. And finally, isn&#8217;t it another source of dismay for the users to know that crypto functions are put at the disposal of all? Very delicate subject.</p>
<p>@Tara,</p>
<p>What Clipperz want to communicate is more the security. You both don&#8217;t play with the same cards (french quote :)). Clipperz try the security/psychological card and you try to convince advanced user (like me) who are more confident on what you did and addind new huge cool features. When I say Clipperz is more user friendly, it&#8217;s maybe by colors, less help on how to use those type of online password storage application (my sister know to log into GMail but with PassPack she&#8217;s lost and Clipperz she&#8217;s gonna read all help before understand how to use it) and maybe a design monotony.<br />
Personally, I really don&#8217;t care. I prefer like, I said, more features and when it&#8217;s more user friendly, that&#8217;s why I choose your webapp, I left my Keepass software :p. It&#8217;s only my advice for novice users. That&#8217;s why I compare you both. <img src='http://blog.loopion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Furthermore, you need to prove that your webapp is secure. <img src='http://blog.loopion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the beginning ! And I trust it will be recognized by others novices.</p>
<p>If you need a French translation&#8230; <img src='http://blog.loopion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tara (PassPack)</title>
		<link>http://blog.loopion.com/web-20/clipperz-and-passpack-online-password-storage-is-still-a-fear/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara (PassPack)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this article. I'm glad that you choose PassPack. You said Clipperz seems more user friendly to you. I'd be happy to hear your suggestions on how to make PassPack easier to use - please email me.

We're also creating a bookmarklet for auto-login from your PassPack account. You can see the demo here:
http://passpack.wordpress.com/2007/03/22/passpack-auto-login-no-plugin-needed/

Thanks again - and cheers!
Tara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this article. I&#8217;m glad that you choose PassPack. You said Clipperz seems more user friendly to you. I&#8217;d be happy to hear your suggestions on how to make PassPack easier to use - please email me.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re also creating a bookmarklet for auto-login from your PassPack account. You can see the demo here:<br />
<a href="http://passpack.wordpress.com/2007/03/22/passpack-auto-login-no-plugin-needed/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/passpack.wordpress.com');">http://passpack.wordpress.com/2007/03/22/passpack-auto-login-no-plugin-needed/</a></p>
<p>Thanks again - and cheers!<br />
Tara</p>
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